Tuesday, September 23, 2014

Your Upline's Credentials?

I recently read a comment from an Amway zealot. She mentions that someone's credentials must be considered when looking at information that is presented. I will comment that showing me a sports car or a fancy suit is not proof of financial success. Strange how they question credentials of everyone except their beloved leaders, some of whom told bold faced lies in the past.

I find this subject ironic because not one single upline leader, as far as I know, has ever supplied bonafide credentials about themselves. The audience assumes that the person on stage has high credentials, but do they really? Certainly, if someone is wearing a diamond pin for example, that this person has at least achieved the diamond level as recognized by Amway, but the level may not be current, and the level doesn't indicate the kind of income this person earns from Amway. Also, the diamond pin is one that is like a lifetime achievement, meaning you could have been diamond for 6 months in 1982 and never qualified again, but you can still wear the pin as you are still recognized as having achieved diamond status. I guess Joecool should be refered to as 4000 PV if that is the case.

What many people wrongly assume is that the diamonds buy homes and cars in cash, that they wake up at noon every day and participate in leisure activities all day while the cash rolls in. I have heard from some new IBOs, that their upline makes more money taking a crap in the morning than a critic makes in a whole year at a job. That IBO became quiet when some critics offered to take that bet. I doubt that any diamonds would take that bet.

But the truth of the matter is that as far as I know, only former diamonds have come clean about their Amway income. They are the only ones who spoke of credentials and accomplishments. Even critics of Amway will often openly speak about their experiences and achieved levels in the business. In the REAL business world, showing business tax returns and credentials are a normal part of doing business. It appears that only in the world of Amway is the supply of credentials and financial statements a big secret. Now I am not suggesting that IBOs or upline leaders should disclose their financials to the entire world, but certainly prospects and some downline should be able to see what their upline is doing financially, especially if that is the basis for purchasing their standing orders and function tickets. And I refer to business (Amway and Tools) income and expenses only, not from other personal sources.

I believe that IBOs and upline leaders do not disclose that information because it would not be beneficial to them. If it were, they would likely publish it freely, just as they flash around copies of checks. IBOs and prospects should take this to heart and ask upline the tough questions

8 comments:

Anonymous said...

Instead of asking for credentials. A person will get more results hiring a prvt investigator to dig up info on net income and assets. Or I'm sure in today's tech world the info is out there. Many of the platinums seem to have baught their level and same with many diamonds. If they are a few grand short they buy their way there. Getting a honest answer is very hard from Amway leaders.

Joecool said...

Good comment. Thanks! True, you can find out stuff but I guess my point would be that pictures or slideshows of cars and mansions do not mean the diamond is wealthy. It could just be that they are in major debt trying to pretend to be wealthy. Do the math on a diamond lifestyle and you'll see what I'm getting at.

Anonymous said...

The leaders and Ibo's lose most of their credibility. When they use the words faith,belief,freedom,association, and mentorship nonstop. You can't go to a meeting without these people sounding like crazies. Business people don't talk this way.

Anonymous said...

but how do u explain the yearly trips around the globe, that is for everyone to see...agreed they might not remain diamont but if their 6 legs are going to a trip year on year it means they still are diamonds right? correct me if i am wrong.

Joecool said...

We have no way of knowing who is still a diamond or not. If I earned my diamond pin once in 1985 and never qualified again, I am still recognized as a diamond. I don't get the diamond bonuses but I still wear the pin. The real money is in selling functions and cds so getting the diamond pin is important in that regard.

Joecool said...

In a real business, yes, you don't use that kind of language. Try asking an upline for proof of their income. That's also something they avoid.

Anonymous said...

Anon, yes there are trips for people to see. But I don't see a name list of who's attending? Once in a while you might see glimpses of a diamond you know on achieve website or Amway YouTube. A ex diamond can take a trip with his family to Hawaii. Take a bunch of bogus pics at a beach party and say he was at diamond club. Wwdb has a separate emerald and diamond club. Where you probably don't even need to maintain any level

Joecool said...

If Amway doesn't pay, some of these diamonds can't afford a trip to Hawaii. I'll give you an example. Say a diamond earns 200K from Amway and another $150K from tools. That's a good income. But minus a third for taxes, factor in medical insurance, business expenses, private school for their kids, etc and you have a middle class lifestyle at best and possibly debt..