Friday, December 9, 2011

Amway And WWDB & Integrity?

I've been following the blog of a WWDB IBO named "Shaun". He runs the blog called "Expeditions Of Truth" http://expeditionoftruths.com/

He seems to think that not only is he in business with people full of integrity, he also thinks that he is going to retire in November 2011. Is this now December 2011? While I think doing business with people of integrity is a good thing, I also know of many successful people in business who are ruthless. So are Amway and in particular, WWDB people full of integrty or are they just as ruthless as other business people? Does it matter? In my opinion, it doesn't matter except for the fact that WWDB people seem to think that they have integrity filled leaders.

Well, lets look at some of these leaders. Back in the 1990's, the current batch of WWDB leaders swore that nobody made a profit on tools. Nobody knew the truth at the time. We now know that this was a lie. Is this integrity? We know that Greg Duncan was in chapter 7 bankruptcy proceedings. Not paying for your obligations is integrity? We know that Greg Duncan and David Shores had homes foreclosed (Public information). Is that a move filled with integrity? With the tons of money Duncan and Shores make, couldn't they have made an effort to pay off their debts?
If you look at a blog linked to this one "Rocket's Rants", there's a youtube video of "crown" Brad Duncan telling rank and file IBOs that they can make "hundreds of thousands of dollars" a month. First of all, I wonder if Brad Duncan has achieved this himself, let alone any others? Even if someone had achieved it, it would be illegal or unethical to portray that kind of success as achieveable to a a prospect.

Brad Wolgamott used to talk about how WWDB had a low divorce rate. Is it full on integrity for WWDB leaders to seperate or divorce when they talk about integrity and how Amway and WWDB saves marriages? What about Dean Kosage? Another divorcee? Are they full of integrity? What say you Shaun Guthrie of WWDB? What about Howie Danzik whose website doesn't mention that he was once married to Susan? Is it integrity to say you built the business as a single when Howie previously built the business with his former wife?

Amway's owner Rich DeVos ackowledged that the "tools" were likely a pyramid scam and Amway did nothing after sales dropped following some attempts to clean it up. Is that an integrity move? I don't know but
it sure seems as if WWDB and Amway have issues where integrity is concerned.

12 comments:

rocket said...

I sent an email to him on December 7th for his latest post, as he won't allow comments. Yep, full disclosure and integrity all right......

I think I'll post it on my blog, as there's too many characters to paste here.

Joecool said...

Good to see you Rocket! Merry Christmas to you and your family.

Shaun won't post comments because it doesn't fit what he wants his blog readers to see. Integrity?

Anonymous said...

You guys know we are dealing with human beings right? Just because they're diamonds or crowns or whatever doesn't mean they're perfect. But at least they try. I would much rather work with them than a bunch of guys who are out drinking and chasing women in their free time. Does this mean you're not going to work at your job because your boss made a mistake? Have you never made a mistake? Have you ever done something you said you would never do? You might not admit it, and it might not be broadcast all over the internet, but you know if you did or not.

Personally, I want to thank you because I know if people read your blog and are influenced to the point where it stops them dead in their tracks, they're too weak minded to succeed in this business.

Joecool said...

Anon@12:05

How do you know what diamonds and crowns do in their free time? Maybe they drink and chase women. It's not about diamonds making a mistake, it's about bold faced lies told to deceive downline that may have netted them millions. In others words, they scammed their downline.

You're brainwashed. If this blog influences people, it's because it's the truth.

Anonymous said...

anon@12:05, could YOU be the one who's out drinking and chasing women in your free time??? JUST A THOUGHT. ;)

Anonymous said...

Personally, I know many people who have succeeded in Amway. The people who try Amway, and don't make anything off of it are those who do not try. If you put in the time (just like any other business) it will grow. Amway gives people a chance to start their "own business". If someone would start their own business by scratch, it would take a lot of money and a lot of time. Please look into topics before you speak. Go to one of their meetings. Talk to someone who is higher up in the ranks if you have any questions. Owning a business is not for everyone. (Not the same anon as before).

Joecool said...

Define "succeeded".

And provide evidence that the Amway business grows and is sustainable. You sound like a brainwashed tool who speaks while losing money in Amway. I have been to meetings, and I was higher up in the ranks.

Anonymous said...

you're right: owning a business isn't for everyone. but there are better (real) business alternatives to scamway.

sal from cali said...

Joe what do you do as a "regular" job or is just posting on here 24/7 count? do you make money from this site?just curious, since you spent so much time with all of this. Has the world or your upline let you down soooooooo bad, that now you sit behind a computer all day? I mean their is better and more important things to do in life right? I have seen your posts and read others, both in the positive and negative light from time to time so see what the zealots are up to. I have to say I don't see any of what you talk about in the extreme cases you say are there. I have to say that for the 3 years i have been in business with wwdb and amway global. It has been all positive. my clients are happy with my work and products, savings, and customer service, my partners in business are trained well and taught real world business, and the "tools" you down so much as all helped everyone make net profit. thats gross minus expense. You might had a bad and mislead opportunity, or were told of over piped dreams but were talking saving $300-500 year making an extra $300-$500 a month. Nothing crazy and yes if you help enough do that then you can create more and will. All up to your work ethic and our help. but the opportunity is still great. the people that diseave and lie and make us real business owners, bad, thats the true shame. best regards in your continued onslaught to take down a multinational global company. But my guess is, youll still not be able to do it. Amway or WWDB. Income statements and actions do speak louder than words. And everyone I work with think the same so we walk with openness and honesty. I mean no stock, and privately held, you cant cut the share price or over extend the company to take these "shames" down. So trying this way seems futile. Id say go create something better and beat them at their own game, but that probably wont happen either. still good national enquirer type gossip. thanx for the laughs.

Joecool said...

What do you mean 24/7. This is a blog. I take 5 minutes to write an article and it sits there.

As for your WWDB experience, who speaks at your functions? The Duncans? Who's your upline diamond? If you won't say, then you're probably full of shit.

I have been following the blog of a WWDB IBO and he says the same crap I heard as an IBO. WWDB saves marriages, buying homes in cash, retiring before the age of 35. Same old stuff.

ST said...

Wow... Good one.

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