Friday, October 15, 2010

How Upline Passes Bad Advice Downline?

Based on my personal experience, and based on having read numerous acconts from other former IBOs, it's pretty clear that the higher uplines, absolve themselves of issues and problems by having others do their dirty work. While some leaders are bold enough to make dumb statements on stage, many uplines will have their "eagles" or platinums do their dirty work, which is to pass bad and often self serving advice to their downline. Advice that will help them (upline) to profit directly from the losses suffered by downline.

For example, a diamond may stand on stage and talk about the merits of getting out of debt. Now getting out of debt is a good thing and nobody should get caught up in credit card debt and other piles of debt. But so many times, I sat in meetings where the group was told they needed to be at the next funtion - no matter what. Do whatever it takes to get there, even if it meant selling personal belongings. Ironically, the solution to getting to the next major function did not involve selling Amway products. So many IBOs made sacrifices of time and money to get to the next function, but their business did not experience any growth in volume or downline. I saw many crossline IBOs attend meeting after meeting and function after function without any downline. They faithfully spent their time and money chasing a dream based on lies by the upline leaders. Our group was told that upline made zero profit on tools. While some groups now admit that profit is made on tools, there is still a lack of transparency about the tools profits and as far as I know, there are no formal written agreements with regards to the tool profits.

I also recall our platinums having platinum and above meetings while we were at major functions and it seemed that the platinums always had something to teach the group that was contrary to what we had just heard on stage and the platinum would tell us that he had the freshest information from the meeting. It's like the platinum was just a henchman for the diamonds and carried out their dirty deeds. Another example is how the diamonds taught vertical alignment where God is first, then your spouse, your kids, your job and in 5th place was your Amway business. But anytime an event such as a friend's wedding or an anniversary dinner or your kid's soccer game conflicted with an Amway event, the group was told "attend all meetings". All means all, is what our group was told. That is directly contrary to the concept of vertical alignment. In fact, the Amway IBOs became less useful to their communities and churches as they are constantly attending meetings and functions and unable to serve in other capacities. I also wondered whether the Amway business and tools consumption took away their abililty to tithe and give to the local charities. Our upline would tell us to go diamond and then send in $10,000checks as if that made it okay not to serve others and help the needy.

It is my informed opinion that this still goes on today, despite the claims of Amway appologists that my experience is twelve years old. There is ample evidence suggesting that very little has changed from 20 years ago. In fact, many of the leaders from my IBO days are still teaching unethical things to this day. Many Upline passes bad advice downline, but they do it in sneaky ways such as having their downline leaders pass the information on. This is also how Amway itself can skirt some of their issues, as IBOs are not Amway employees, they are "independent". But most people in North America now know the truth and hopefully this article shines some light on that truth.

8 comments:

Shyam Sundar said...

All upline lie about their income and present false cheques to the audience in the meetings. One close look at these cheques would reveal that they are only specimen. All upline claim that they have been earning a sizable income and anybody could become rich in a few years and retire happily. It is happening in India too.
When a similar meeting was disrupted in Vijayawada, a small city in Andhra Pradesh, India, by the police on the complaint of Corporate Frauds Watch, many people realised that it is a crime to join and make others join in such money circulation schemes. In India the law is clear and anybody could file a criminal case against such companies if they feel cheated. The problem is they are tuned not to lodge complaints and it is their fault that they had failed in the business.

Anonymous said...

False cheques? Specimens? For your information Mr. Dumbo, I cashed a $17.95 A.M.W.A.Y C.H.E.Q.U.E with my bank in P.E.R.S.O.N and it was A.C.C.E.P.T.E.D. The $17.95 were A.D.D.E.D to my account balance. It feels terribly good to be a professional corporate frauds watcher Mr. Dumbo, doesn't it?

Joecool said...

Wow, you get $17.95 from Amway and I bet you only spent $200 on standing orders and functions so you could learn that this was a good deal. LOL

Anonymous said...

who's the dumbo now??? HAHAHAHAHAHA =P

Anonymous said...

I didn't spend $200 on standing orders and functions so I could learn that this was a good deal. I just think that you're a pretty weak, pathetic moron, that's what I honestly think about you and your lost tribe.

Joecool said...

Anonymous from Canada just doesn't know when to quit. Hey, when is Amway or the law enforcement going to stop ne from blogging?

Anna Banana said...

$17.95? You had to spend at least $300 just to get 100 PV to be eligible for that bonus, which would have been $9 or $10 if you kept your spending to $300. So either you spent double that, which is something my husband would have done, or else you have some customers. Congratulations. Spending $300 minimum to get $17.95 we all get the picture who the real dumbo is, besides my husband that is!

Joecool said...

Anna, you are right. It is why I have said that people are better off panhandling, working part time for minimum wage, or sitting at home watching the Simpsons and having a beer.